MSNBC and NBC and General electric has closed down our excellent Discussion Board on the Environment, and broken many friendships and buried much valuable information. The site is shut-down but still accessible to read what has been posted for years. This is availbable here:
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/board.aspx?BoardID=781
Many people who were on this board have migrated here:
http://boards.msn.com/UKNewsboards/board.aspx?BoardID=809
join us.
Peter
Showing posts with label censorship. Show all posts
Showing posts with label censorship. Show all posts
Tuesday, August 11, 2009
Saturday, August 8, 2009
MSNBC Censorship....A Rat Behind The Scenes
MSNBC, which of course is owned by General Electric (GE), along with NBC, Newsweek Magazine, and The Weather Channel, often accused here and elsewhere as being a literal propaganda tool of the Obama Administration, has closed their web-based "discussion board" titled "Environment". That discussion board allowed and fostered much open, free-form discussion of the many related elements of global warming and so-called climate change.
The dominant message of this discussion was the absurdity of the idea that man's activities, particularly the emission of carbon dioxide gas from the burning of "fossil fuels" was and is, causing global warming and climate change. So MSNBC closed this site, for what they said was "business reasons".
Could it be that General Electric, builder and seller of fluorescent light bulbs, wind turbines, solar panels, "clean coal" technology, and owner of a financial trading subsidiary, hopes to make BILLIONS of dollars if the pending "cap and trade" legislation is passed might want to suppress any dissenting, or contrary views? Could the Obama Administration, which desperately wants to pass this "cap and tax" legislation, have "leaned", Mafia-style, on GE to shut down this form of free and open communication???? I don't know, but I smell a rat.
See the old MSNBC site and read some old posts here:
and see where the diehard challengers of the myth of man-caused global warming have migrated here.
Peter
The dominant message of this discussion was the absurdity of the idea that man's activities, particularly the emission of carbon dioxide gas from the burning of "fossil fuels" was and is, causing global warming and climate change. So MSNBC closed this site, for what they said was "business reasons".
Could it be that General Electric, builder and seller of fluorescent light bulbs, wind turbines, solar panels, "clean coal" technology, and owner of a financial trading subsidiary, hopes to make BILLIONS of dollars if the pending "cap and trade" legislation is passed might want to suppress any dissenting, or contrary views? Could the Obama Administration, which desperately wants to pass this "cap and tax" legislation, have "leaned", Mafia-style, on GE to shut down this form of free and open communication???? I don't know, but I smell a rat.
See the old MSNBC site and read some old posts here:
and see where the diehard challengers of the myth of man-caused global warming have migrated here.
Peter
Tuesday, September 11, 2007
Jim Hansen Claiming Censorship......
Here is a CBS article about Jim Hansen and how he claims he has been censored by the Bush Administration. He sure has been doing a lot of speaking out and consulting for "documentaries" about global warming by people like Al Gore and Tom Brokaw. That doesn't look and sound like censorship to me. It is now looking like he is the one playing games with NASA temperature data.
Peter
from: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml
Rewriting The Science
Scientist Says Politicians Edit Global Warming Research
Quote
"In my more than three decades in the government I've never witnessed such restrictions on the ability of scientists to communicate with the public."
James Hansen
(CBS) This story originally aired on March 19, 2006.
As a government scientist, James Hansen is taking a risk. He says there are things the White House doesn't want you to hear but he's going to say them anyway. Hansen is arguably the world's leading researcher on global warming. He's the head of NASA's top institute studying the climate. But as correspondent Scott Pelley first reported last spring, this imminent scientist says that the Bush administration is restricting who he can talk to and editing what he can say. Politicians, he says, are rewriting the science. But he didn't hold back speaking to Pelley, telling 60 Minutes what he knows.
Asked if he believes the administration is censoring what he can say to the public, Hansen says: "Or they're censoring whether or not I can say it. I mean, I say what I believe if I'm allowed to say it." What James Hansen believes is that global warming is accelerating. He points to the melting arctic and to Antarctica, where new data show massive losses of ice to the sea. Is it fair to say at this point that humans control the climate? Is that possible? "There's no doubt about that, says Hansen. "The natural changes, the speed of the natural changes is now dwarfed by the changes that humans are making to the atmosphere and to the surface."
Those human changes, he says, are driven by burning fossil fuels that pump out greenhouse gases like CO2, carbon dioxide. Hansen has a theory that man has just 10 years to reduce greenhouse gases before global warming reaches what he calls a tipping point and becomes unstoppable. He says the White House is blocking that message. "In my more than three decades in the government I've never witnessed such restrictions on the ability of scientists to communicate with the public," says Hansen. Restrictions like an e-mail Hansen's institute received from NASA in 2004. "… there is a new review process … ," the e-mail read. "The White House (is) now reviewing all climate related press releases," it continued.
Why the scrutiny of Hansen's work? Well, his Goddard Institute for Space Studies is the source of respected but sobering research on warming. It recently announced 2005 was the warmest year on record. Hansen started at NASA more than 30 years ago, spending nearly all that time studying the earth. How important is his work? 60 Minutes asked someone at the top, Ralph Cicerone, president of the nation’s leading institute of science, the National Academy of Sciences. "I can't think of anybody who I would say is better than Hansen. You might argue that there's two or three others as good, but nobody better," says Cicerone. And Cicerone, who’s an atmospheric chemist, said the same thing every leading scientist told 60 Minutes. "Climate change is really happening," says Cicerone. Asked what is causing the changes, Cicernone says it's greenhouse gases: "Carbon dioxide and methane, and chlorofluorocarbons and a couple of others, which are all — the increases in their concentrations in the air are due to human activities. It's that simple."
But if it is that simple, why do some climate science reports look like they have been heavily edited at the White House? With science labeled "not sufficiently reliable." It’s a tone of scientific uncertainty the president set in his first months in office after he pulled out of a global treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. "We do not know how much our climate could, or will change in the future," President Bush said in 2001, speaking in the Rose Garden of the White House. "We do not know how fast change will occur, or even how some of our actions could impact it."
(continued here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml
Peter
from: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml
Rewriting The Science
Scientist Says Politicians Edit Global Warming Research
Quote
"In my more than three decades in the government I've never witnessed such restrictions on the ability of scientists to communicate with the public."
James Hansen
(CBS) This story originally aired on March 19, 2006.
As a government scientist, James Hansen is taking a risk. He says there are things the White House doesn't want you to hear but he's going to say them anyway. Hansen is arguably the world's leading researcher on global warming. He's the head of NASA's top institute studying the climate. But as correspondent Scott Pelley first reported last spring, this imminent scientist says that the Bush administration is restricting who he can talk to and editing what he can say. Politicians, he says, are rewriting the science. But he didn't hold back speaking to Pelley, telling 60 Minutes what he knows.
Asked if he believes the administration is censoring what he can say to the public, Hansen says: "Or they're censoring whether or not I can say it. I mean, I say what I believe if I'm allowed to say it." What James Hansen believes is that global warming is accelerating. He points to the melting arctic and to Antarctica, where new data show massive losses of ice to the sea. Is it fair to say at this point that humans control the climate? Is that possible? "There's no doubt about that, says Hansen. "The natural changes, the speed of the natural changes is now dwarfed by the changes that humans are making to the atmosphere and to the surface."
Those human changes, he says, are driven by burning fossil fuels that pump out greenhouse gases like CO2, carbon dioxide. Hansen has a theory that man has just 10 years to reduce greenhouse gases before global warming reaches what he calls a tipping point and becomes unstoppable. He says the White House is blocking that message. "In my more than three decades in the government I've never witnessed such restrictions on the ability of scientists to communicate with the public," says Hansen. Restrictions like an e-mail Hansen's institute received from NASA in 2004. "… there is a new review process … ," the e-mail read. "The White House (is) now reviewing all climate related press releases," it continued.
Why the scrutiny of Hansen's work? Well, his Goddard Institute for Space Studies is the source of respected but sobering research on warming. It recently announced 2005 was the warmest year on record. Hansen started at NASA more than 30 years ago, spending nearly all that time studying the earth. How important is his work? 60 Minutes asked someone at the top, Ralph Cicerone, president of the nation’s leading institute of science, the National Academy of Sciences. "I can't think of anybody who I would say is better than Hansen. You might argue that there's two or three others as good, but nobody better," says Cicerone. And Cicerone, who’s an atmospheric chemist, said the same thing every leading scientist told 60 Minutes. "Climate change is really happening," says Cicerone. Asked what is causing the changes, Cicernone says it's greenhouse gases: "Carbon dioxide and methane, and chlorofluorocarbons and a couple of others, which are all — the increases in their concentrations in the air are due to human activities. It's that simple."
But if it is that simple, why do some climate science reports look like they have been heavily edited at the White House? With science labeled "not sufficiently reliable." It’s a tone of scientific uncertainty the president set in his first months in office after he pulled out of a global treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. "We do not know how much our climate could, or will change in the future," President Bush said in 2001, speaking in the Rose Garden of the White House. "We do not know how fast change will occur, or even how some of our actions could impact it."
(continued here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml
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